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    One can give up external possessions to maintain a family... — Carmelics
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    One can give up external possessions to maintain a family relationship without sacrificing real goods

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    • 1.External possessions are not real goods
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    • 2.Modesty and fidelity are real goods
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    • 3.Giving up external possessions to preserve a relationship does not require surrendering modesty or fidelity
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    • 1.Material deprivation systematically undermines the psychological conditions necessary for exercising virtues like fidelity and modesty.
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    • 2.Aristotle argues in the Nicomachean Ethics that external goods are genuine prerequisites for eudaimonia, not merely instrumental conveniences.
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    • 3.A relationship preserved through poverty-induced stress, dependency, or indignity may corrupt the very virtues it was meant to honor.
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    • 1.The Stoic distinction between 'real goods' and 'externals' presupposes a conception of the self that severs agency from embodied, relational existence.
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    • 2.Hegel's critique in the Philosophy of Right holds that genuine ethical life requires concrete social institutions and property, not merely inner disposition.
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    • 3.Sacrificing external possessions can alter power structures within a relationship in ways that constitute genuine harms to persons, not merely preferred indifferents.
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    Epictetus does not believe that there is any conflict between other-regarding behavior and appropriate self-concern. We are naturally oriented toward our own well-being, but acting for our own sake often entails contributing to the common good (1.19.11-14). More particularly, the preservation of our relationships (scheseis) belongs to our own good, though only insofar as it is possible to preserve them by right behavior. If maintaining a connection to a family member requires giving up external
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