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    The Final Theory of Everything is deterministic — Carmelics
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    The Final Theory of Everything is deterministic

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    • 1.Whatever the Final Theory of Everything is, it will involve only continuous fluids and solids governed by partial differential equations
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    • 2.All theories involving only continuous fluids and solids governed by partial differential equations are deterministic
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    • 1.Quantum mechanics, the best-confirmed physical theory we have, is irreducibly indeterministic under standard (Copenhagen) and GRW interpretations.
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    • 2.Any Final Theory of Everything must recover quantum mechanical predictions, including their probabilistic structure, as a limiting case.
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    • 3.Therefore a Final Theory that eliminates indeterminism wholesale would fail to account for confirmed quantum phenomena, making P1's stipulation empirically unmotivated.
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    • 1.Norton's Dome demonstrates that even classical Newtonian mechanics—paradigmatically continuous and governed by PDEs—admits non-unique solutions violating determinism.
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    • 2.P2's claim that PDE-governed theories are universally deterministic is falsified by this well-documented counterexample in the philosophical physics literature.
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    • 3.The inference from 'governed by PDEs' to 'deterministic' therefore cannot ground a confident assertion about the Final Theory's deterministic character.
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    Even if the first hurdle can be overcome, the second, namely establishing precisely what the actual laws are, may seem daunting indeed. In a sense, what we are asking for is precisely what 19th and 20th century physicists sometimes set as their goal: the Final Theory of Everything. But perhaps, as Newton said of establishing the solar system’s absolute motion, “the thing is not altogether desperate.” Many physicists in the past 60 years or so have been convinced of determinism’s falsity, because
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