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    The general is identical with the boy who was beaten at s... — Carmelics
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    The general is identical with the boy who was beaten at school.

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    • 1.The general is identical with the brave officer.
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    • 2.The brave officer is identical with the boy who was beaten at school.
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    • 3.Identity is transitive: if A is identical with B and B is identical with C, then A is identical with C.
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    • 1.Personal identity requires memory continuity: a person at time T2 is identical to a person at T1 only if T2-person can remember T1-person's experiences.
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    • 2.The general cannot remember being the boy who was flogged, only remembers being the young officer (per Reid's own stipulated case).
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    • 3.Therefore, the transitivity argument fails because P2 is false: the brave officer is not identical to the boy, breaking the chain.
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    • 1.Locke's memory criterion entails that identity is not transitive across time when memory links are discontinuous, making transitivity inapplicable here.
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    • 2.Reid's own puzzle demonstrates that memory-based identity generates contradictions precisely because it cannot sustain transitive closure across broken recollective chains.
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    Therefore, the general cannot be identical with the boy who was beaten...97%The brave officer is identical with the boy who was beaten at school.87%Yet the Memory Theory also implies the general is identical with the b...87%The general does not remember being beaten at school.87%

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    According to the Memory Theory, personal identity consists in memory; that is, sameness of memory is metaphysically necessary and sufficient for sameness of person. On this account, given that sameness of memory is sufficient for sameness of person, if a person at time tn remembers (episodically) an event that occurred at time t1 then the person at time tn is identical with the person who was witness or agent to the event at time t1. If the brave officer who has just taken the flag of the enemy
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