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    The harm suicide causes to family members and loved ones ... — Carmelics
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    The harm suicide causes to family members and loved ones does not support an absolute prohibition on suicide

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    • 1.Kant's duty-based ethics holds that persons are ends in themselves, meaning no individual can be obligated to suffer indefinitely solely to spare others grief.
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    • 2.An absolute prohibition grounded in third-party harm treats the suicidal person as a mere instrument for others' emotional welfare, violating the autonomy principle.
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    • 3.If third-party grief were sufficient to prohibit an act absolutely, it would also prohibit countless other autonomous choices that cause relational pain, producing an implausibly expansive constraint on liberty.
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    • 1.Mill's harm principle permits restricting liberty only when an action causes direct harm to others, not merely emotional distress or grief, which are indirect psychological effects.
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    • 2.Feinberg's distinction between setback of interests and wrongful harm shows that survivors' grief, while a genuine setback, does not automatically constitute a rights-violation sufficient to ground absolute prohibition.
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    • 1.Some suicides will not leave survivors
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    • 2.Among suicides that do leave survivors, the extent of harm differs based on the strength of relationships
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    • 3.From a utilitarian perspective, harms to survivors must be weighed against harms done to the would-be suicide by continuing to live a difficult or painful life
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    Notable Defenders

    AristotleancientNicomachean Ethics 1138a5-14
    PlatoancientPhaedo 61b-62c; Laws IX 854a3-5, 873c-d
    PythagoreansancientPlato, Phaedo 61b-62c
    SenecaancientRoman Stoic philosopher who was himself compelled to engage in suicide
    SocratesancientPlato, Phaedo 61b-62c (presents the Pythagorean view with guarded enthusiasm)
    Gay-WilliamscontemporaryGay-Williams 1996
    Margaret Pabst BattincontemporaryPabst Battin 1996, 41–48
    Thomas AquinasmedievalThomistic natural law tradition
    David Humemodernsection 2.3; critiques of natural law arguments

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    No doubt the suicide of a family member or loved one produces a number of harmful psychological and economic effects. In addition to the usual grief, suicide “survivors” confront a complex array of feelings. Various forms of guilt are quite common, such as that arising from (a) the belief that one contributed to the suicidal person’s anguish, or (b) the failure to recognize that anguish, or (c) the inability to prevent the suicidal act itself. Suicide also leads to rage, loneliness, and awarenes
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    Mill's harm principle permits restricting liberty only when an action causes dir...
    Some suicides will not leave survivors

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