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    The implications of libertarian agency are such that its ... — Carmelics
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    The implications of libertarian agency are such that its purpose in God's plan could not be achieved without the occurrence of sin.

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    • 1.Freedom is crucial to moral evil.
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    • 2.Autonomy can be responsibly exercised to enter friendship with God only if first employed in a conceit of rebellion.
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    • 3.Only by passing through sin are the saved able to achieve their destiny.
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    • 1.Alvin Plantinga's free will defense shows libertarian freedom can exist without sin being necessary for any particular agent.
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    • 2.The claim conflates the possibility of sin (required for libertarian freedom) with the necessity of sin (a much stronger and undefended thesis).
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    • 3.A world where libertarians freely choose rightly throughout is logically coherent, undermining the claim that sin is instrumentally required.
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    • 1.Pelagius and later Kant argued moral development toward virtue does not require prior rebellion but can proceed through progressive rational self-legislation.
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    • 2.If prelapsarian humans like unfallen angels can achieve moral friendship with God without sinning, sin is not a necessary stage in libertarian moral development.
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    If this is correct, there is a great good that God, as a loving creator, is able blamelessly to will for us, but which in its exercise inevitably leads us into blameworthiness. That good is our autonomy — the thing that makes us most like God, and is the sole means by which we are able to reach friendship with him, but which can be responsibly exercised to enter that friendship only if first employed in a conceit of rebellion, wherein we learn our limitations, and come to appreciate the emptiness of a life based on subjective independence. Only thus are we able to reach a position of moral aut...
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    Validity: The premises accurately reflect claims made in the source passage and together they rationally support the conclusion that libertarian agency's purpose in God's plan requires the occurrence of sin, since autonomy must pass through rebellion/sin before authentic friendship with God is possible.

    Confidence: Explicit reasoning in the text linking libertarian freedom to the necessity of sin.

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