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    It is not the case that The implications of libertarian agency are such that its purpose in God's plan could not be achieved without the occurrence of sin.

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    • 1.Alvin Plantinga's free will defense shows libertarian freedom can exist without sin being necessary for any particular agent.
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    • 2.The claim conflates the possibility of sin (required for libertarian freedom) with the necessity of sin (a much stronger and undefended thesis).
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    • 3.A world where libertarians freely choose rightly throughout is logically coherent, undermining the claim that sin is instrumentally required.
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    • 1.Pelagius and later Kant argued moral development toward virtue does not require prior rebellion but can proceed through progressive rational self-legislation.
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    • 2.If prelapsarian humans like unfallen angels can achieve moral friendship with God without sinning, sin is not a necessary stage in libertarian moral development.
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    • 1.Freedom is crucial to moral evil.
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    • 2.Autonomy can be responsibly exercised to enter friendship with God only if first employed in a conceit of rebellion.
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    • 3.Only by passing through sin are the saved able to achieve their destiny.
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