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    It is not the case that The independence of certain set-theoretic statements from ZFC (Cohen 1963) means hierarchy non-collapse may itself be a model-relative rather than absolute fact.

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    • 1.Model-relativity of truth differs fundamentally from model-relativity of *provability*: statements may be absolutely true even if unprovable in ZFC.
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    • 2.Hierarchy non-collapse describes a property of V itself (the intended universe), not merely of formal theories or their models of set theory.
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    • 3.Independence results show ZFC is incomplete, but incompleteness does not entail that all undecidable statements lack objective truth values about V.
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    • 1.Cohen's forcing technique produces multiple models of ZFC with different cardinal relationships, demonstrating that hierarchy collapse/non-collapse is model-dependent.
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    • 2.If a property holds in some models of ZFC but not others, it cannot be an absolute fact about the mathematical universe independent of framework choice.
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    • 3.ZFC's incompleteness regarding CH and similar statements suggests our axioms underdetermine the actual structure of the cumulative hierarchy.
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