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    The instrumentalist conception of retributivism should be... — Carmelics
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    The instrumentalist conception of retributivism should be rejected.

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    • 1.Punishment, not suffering, is the proper retributive desert object.
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    • 2.If the desert object is punishment rather than suffering, punishment is not a means to achieving the good of suffering, so the instrumentalist conception does not apply.
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    “Limiting retributivism” is not so much a conception of retributivism as it is retributivism with the addition of skepticism about our ability to make any but the most general statements about proportionality (see N. Morris 1982: 182–87, 196–200; Frase 2005: 77; Slobogin 2009: 671). It is, therefore, a view about how much influence retributivism can have in the practice of punishment. Consequentialist considerations, it is proposed, should be consulted to fill in the gap left by the supposed vagueness of proportionality. For example, while murder is surely a graver crime than robbery, the rang...

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