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    The objection that premise (3) requires prefixing 'Accord... — Carmelics
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    The objection that premise (3) requires prefixing 'According to the idea of God' is undermined

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    • 1.Only claims about things that lack a true and immutable nature require restriction to 'according to the idea of X'
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    • 2.God's nature is a true and immutable nature
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    • 3.True and immutable natures themselves exist in some mode, not merely as conceptual constructs
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    • 1.Whether God possesses a 'true and immutable nature' is precisely what is at issue and cannot be assumed without begging the question.
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    • 2.Descartes' criterion for true and immutable natures presupposes a Platonic realism about essences that many rationalist and empiricist traditions explicitly reject.
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    • 3.If fabricated ideas like a 'highest existing horse' can mimic the logical structure of true natures, the distinction fails to secure God's unique ontological status.
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    • 1.Kant's transcendental idealism establishes that existence is not a predicate, making any inference from conceptual content to extra-mental existence formally invalid.
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    • 2.Even granting true and immutable natures exist 'in some mode,' this modal existence within the understanding cannot license conclusions about mind-independent existence without a further illicit step.
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    Descartes’ reply to these objections involves the notion of a “true and immutable nature” (“TIN”) (AT 7.101ff.). Only some of our ideas of things that have TINs. Moreover, TINs themselves exist in some way, although they need not exist in concrete or empirical reality. Perhaps they are abstract objects, like numbers or sets (Descartes explicitly compares them to Plato’s Forms). In any case, the kind of existence TINs have is sufficient to undermine the second objection above: the divine essence—
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    Whether God possesses a 'true and immutable nature' is precisely what is at issu...
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