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    The One is identical with the Good — Carmelics
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    The One is identical with the Good

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    • 1.The essential features of the One (goodness, unity) are visible in each creature
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    • 2.Being becomes good by participation in the One
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    • 3.The first Good is that in which all creatures participate to possess good qualities
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    • 1.The One in Plotinus transcends all predication, including goodness, making 'The One is Good' a category error.
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    • 2.Calling the One 'Good' imports teleological relativity—goodness is relational (good *for* something), while the One is absolute.
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    • 3.Proclus himself distinguished the One from the Good as successive henads, showing the identity thesis was contested within Neoplatonism.
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    • 1.Participation arguments establish only that creatures derive goodness *from* the One, not that the One *is* identical with Goodness itself.
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    • 2.Identical predication requires symmetry: if One = Good, then Good = One, but Plato's Form of the Good in the Republic is explicitly subordinate to the One beyond being.
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    The essential features of the One (goodness, unity) are visible in each creature. If the one were of the same value as the rest of being, then cosmic harmony and its order would fail; furthermore, it would not be possible to distinguish between the first and the last in the series (Petrizi, Opera II, prop. 1, p. 13). The universe would thus have no first and no last reference point, no origin and no unities following it. It is precisely on the impossibility of such an assumption that Petrizi’s o
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