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    It is not the case that The phrase "worm that does not die" as used in the NT supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 4
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    • 1.This phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    • 2.If the above is true, then this phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    Reason for 2 of 4
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    • 1.This phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    • 2.If the above is true, then this phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 3 of 4
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    • If the above is true, then it is not the case that the phrase "worm does not die" as used in the NT supports eternal punishment
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      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 4 of 4
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    • If the above is true, then it is not the case that the phrase "worm does not die" as used in the NT supports eternal punishment
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The phrase 'worm that does not die' in Mark 9:48 quotes Isaiah 66:24, where the worm acts on corpses that endure perpetual divine judgment.
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    • 2.Jesus' deliberate triple repetition of this phrase in Mark 9 indicates intentional emphasis on an ongoing, unending state rather than mere imagery.
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    • 3.Even non-literal apocalyptic language tracks a real referent; the undying worm symbolizes an unceasing punitive process that is eternal in its actual duration.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Origen, Tertullian, and Augustine all interpreted the Gehenna imagery as signifying unending conscious suffering, establishing a strong patristic consensus.
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    • 2.If a metaphor is consistently used across prophetic and dominical speech to depict irreversible post-mortem judgment, its non-literal form does not negate its eternal referent.
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