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    The phrase "worm that does not die" as used in the NT sup... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Scripture argues that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever
    Supports→The NT langauge requires us to conclude that God will make the wicked immortal so they can be tortured forever

    The phrase "worm that does not die" as used in the NT supports the claim that the punishment of the wicked lasts forever

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    • 1.The phrase 'worm that does not die' in Mark 9:48 quotes Isaiah 66:24, where the worm acts on corpses that endure perpetual divine judgment.
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    • 2.Jesus' deliberate triple repetition of this phrase in Mark 9 indicates intentional emphasis on an ongoing, unending state rather than mere imagery.
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    • 3.Even non-literal apocalyptic language tracks a real referent; the undying worm symbolizes an unceasing punitive process that is eternal in its actual duration.
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    • 1.Origen, Tertullian, and Augustine all interpreted the Gehenna imagery as signifying unending conscious suffering, establishing a strong patristic consensus.
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    • 2.If a metaphor is consistently used across prophetic and dominical speech to depict irreversible post-mortem judgment, its non-literal form does not negate its eternal referent.
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    • 1.This phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    • 2.If the above is true, then this phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    • 1.This phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    • 2.If the above is true, then this phrase, as used in the NT, is not to be taken literally
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    • If the above is true, then it is not the case that the phrase "worm does not die" as used in the NT supports eternal punishment
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    • If the above is true, then it is not the case that the phrase "worm does not die" as used in the NT supports eternal punishment
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