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    The piece of clay c is absolutely identical to s1 on day ... — Carmelics
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    The piece of clay c is absolutely identical to s1 on day 1, and c is absolutely identical to s2 on day 2.

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    • 1.Constitution is absolute identity.
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    • 2.c constitutes s1 on day 1 and c constitutes s2 on day 2.
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    • 1.If c = s1 on day 1 and c = s2 on day 2, then by transitivity of identity, s1 = s2, which contradicts their distinct modal and temporal properties.
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    • 2.s1 and s2 differ in their essential properties: s1 can survive being flattened while s2, a different statue, cannot—violating Leibniz's Law.
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    • 1.Constitution is a non-symmetric, non-transitive relation distinct from identity, as Lynne Rudder Baker argues in 'Persons and Bodies' (2000).
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    • 2.Conflating constitution with identity collapses the explanatory distinction between what something is made of and what kind of thing it is.
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    Constitution is identity, absolute identity. The relation between the piece of clay \(c\) and the statue \(s_1\) on day 1 is one of absolute identity. So we have that \(c = s_1\) on day 1, and for the same reason, \(c = s_2\) on day 2. Furthermore, since \(s_1\) and \(s_2\) are different statues, it follows (on the weak view) that \(s_1\ne s_2\). In addition, the piece of clay \(c\) constituting \(s_1\) on day 1 is (relatively) the same piece of clay as the piece of clay constituting \(s_2\) on
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