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    The poor are unfit to participate in politics as free men. — Carmelics
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    The poor are unfit to participate in politics as free men.

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    • 1.Freedom requires self-possession and distance from pressing bodily needs.
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    • 2.The poor are obsessed with need and too degraded to exercise the self-control required for political participation.
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    • 3.Those who cannot rule their own desires must be ruled like slaves, or their needs will issue in envy and violence.
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    • 1.Aristotle himself argued that those who perform necessary labor for the city share in its common life and thereby develop political judgment through practice.
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    • 2.The capacity for practical reason (phronesis) is distributed across economic classes, as demonstrated by the deliberative wisdom embedded in common civic experience.
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    • 3.Excluding the poor from politics removes the very corrective mechanism that prevents oligarchic faction from corrupting the common good.
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    • 1.Rousseau demonstrated that economic dependence corrupts political judgment in the wealthy as much as the poor, since both are distorted by relations of domination.
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    • 2.If susceptibility to material interest disqualifies participation, then property-owners whose votes protect their holdings are equally disqualified by the same standard.
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    The ancient authors speculated about the relation between property and virtue, a natural subject for discussion since justifying private property raises serious questions about the legitimacy of self-interested activity. Plato (Republic, 462b-c) argued that collective ownership was necessary to promote common pursuit of the common interest, and to avoid the social divisiveness that would occur ‘when some grieve exceedingly and others rejoice at the same happenings.’ Aristotle responded by arguin
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