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    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
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    It is not the case that The problem of how someone could freely choose to remain in hell forever is not a problem for Augustinians.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.A punishment framework requiring no ongoing choice collapses the distinction between retributive justice and mere causally determined suffering.
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    • 2.Augustinian determinism about the damned makes divine punishment morally indistinguishable from natural disaster, undermining its retributive rationale.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Denying the damned any further libertarian freedom commits Augustinians to theological compatibilism specifically about hell, creating an asymmetry requiring justification.
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    • 2.If compatibilist freedom suffices for moral responsibility in damnation, Augustinians must explain why libertarian freedom was required for the original sin meriting it.
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    Reasons Against

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    • According to Augustinians, the damned have no further choice in the matter once their everlasting punishment commences.
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