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    The problem of how someone could freely choose to remain ... — Carmelics
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    The problem of how someone could freely choose to remain in hell forever is not a problem for Augustinians.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • According to Augustinians, the damned have no further choice in the matter once their everlasting punishment commences.
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    • 1.A punishment framework requiring no ongoing choice collapses the distinction between retributive justice and mere causally determined suffering.
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    • 2.Augustinian determinism about the damned makes divine punishment morally indistinguishable from natural disaster, undermining its retributive rationale.
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    • 1.Denying the damned any further libertarian freedom commits Augustinians to theological compatibilism specifically about hell, creating an asymmetry requiring justification.
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    • 2.If compatibilist freedom suffices for moral responsibility in damnation, Augustinians must explain why libertarian freedom was required for the original sin meriting it.
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    In any case, how one assesses each of the three answers above will depend upon how one understands the idea of moral freedom and the role it plays, if any, in someone landing in either heaven or hell. The first two answers also represent a fundamental disagreement concerning the existence of free will in hell and perhaps even the nature of free will itself. According to the first answer, the inhabitants of hell are those who have freely acquired a consistently evil will and an irreversibly bad moral character. So for the rest of eternity, these inhabitants of hell do not even continue rejectin...

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