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    It is not the case that The Son and Spirit exist of necessity dependently.

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    • 1.Classical Nicene theology (Athanasius, Gregory of Nyssa) holds that the Son is eternally begotten from the Father's essence, not from a discrete causal act.
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    • 2.Eternal generation from shared divine essence is incompatible with the asymmetric dependency relation that distinguishes necessary-dependent from necessary-independent existence.
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    • 3.Therefore the Son's mode of existence cannot be coherently classified as 'dependent' without implying a subordinationism the tradition explicitly rejected at Nicaea.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.If the Son exists of necessity, his existence cannot be contingent on any causal act, even one performed necessarily by the Father.
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    • 2.Necessary existence entails existence in all possible worlds independently of any relational or causal grounding.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The Father exists necessarily and independently.
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    • 2.The Father's existence implies that he causes the Son and the Spirit.
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