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    The soul cannot form sensible perceptions in itself on th... — Carmelics
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    The soul cannot form sensible perceptions in itself on the occasion of particular motions in the bodily sensory apparatus

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    • 1.For the soul to form sensible perceptions on the occasion of bodily motions, the soul would need to be aware of those motions
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    • 2.The soul is not aware of the motions occurring in the bodily sensory apparatus
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    • 1.Malebranche argues that God, not the soul, is the true cause of perceptions, with bodily motions serving merely as occasions for divine action.
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    • 2.If God directly produces sensible perceptions in the soul on the occasion of bodily motions, the soul need not itself be aware of those motions to perceive.
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    • 3.The occasionalist framework thus defeats the inference from soul's ignorance of bodily motions to its inability to form perceptions occasioned by them.
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    • 1.Leibniz's pre-established harmony holds that soul and body operate in perfect synchrony through their own internal principles, requiring no causal or occasionalist intermediary.
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    • 2.Under this doctrine, the soul produces sensible perceptions from its own nature in correspondence with bodily states, without needing causal awareness of those states.
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    • 3.The supporting argument's premise that awareness of bodily motions is required for occasioned perception presupposes a causal model that pre-established harmony explicitly rejects.
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    Arnauld says that it is “easy” to eliminate the first alternative: “For since the motion of a body can at best have no other effect than to move another body (I say at best because it may have not even that), who does not see that it can have no effect on a spiritual soul?” (Examen, OA, 38:146). He adds that St. Augustine considered it beyond doubt that a body can have an effect only on our body, and not on our soul. Arnauld rules out the second of his three alternatives on the grounds that the
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    The soul is not aware of the motions occurring in the bodily sensory apparatus
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    Under this doctrine, the soul produces sensible perceptions from its own nature ...
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