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    The soul is immortal (exists eternally) — Carmelics
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    The soul is immortal (exists eternally)

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    • 1.What moves itself will not cease to do so
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    • 2.The soul moves itself
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    • 3.If the mover and the moved thing are identical, they cannot be disconnected
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    • 1.The soul's self-motion, as Aristotle argued, presupposes a substrate; without a body, there is no substrate to sustain the motion.
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    • 2.What requires a substrate for its activity ceases when that substrate is destroyed.
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    • 3.Therefore, the soul's self-moving capacity terminates at bodily death, not persisting eternally.
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    • 1.Hume demonstrated that personal identity is a bundle of perceptions with no persistent self underlying them.
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    • 2.If the soul is merely a bundle of causally connected mental states, its continuity depends on that causal chain, which death severs.
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    • 3.What has no substantial unity beyond contingent causal relations has no basis for eternal persistence after those relations dissolve.
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    In this passage Metochites seems to contend that Aristotle’s argument against self-movement in Physics 7.1 and 8.5 entails the proposition that “what moves itself will not cease to do so,” which is used as one of the premises of an argument for the immortality of the soul. This latter argument is apparently strongly inspired by the first part of the proof of immortality in Socrates’ palinode in Plato’s Phaedrus (245c5–8). It seems to be an “ontological” kind of argument. That is to say, it attem
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    What has no substantial unity beyond contingent causal relations has no basis fo...
    What moves itself will not cease to do so
    What requires a substrate for its activity ceases when that substrate is destroy...
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