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    The sun's appearing small is a real relation between the ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→Perceptual appearances must be entirely mental and internal, rather than relational

    The sun's appearing small is a real relation between the sun, the perceiver, and the viewing conditions—not a purely internal mental state.

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    • 1.Apparent size depends on objective physical facts: distance, angular diameter, and lighting conditions that exist independent of any mind.
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    • 2.Multiple observers in identical conditions report identical size experiences, suggesting a shared external relation rather than private mental states.
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    • 3.We can measure and predict apparent size mathematically using observer position and object properties, indicating systematic relations, not arbitrary perception.
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    • 1.The property 'appearing small' exists only in conscious experience; no external relation literally possesses smallness independent of perception.
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    • 2.Distance and angular size are objective, but their *appearance* as 'small' is a quale—a subjective experiential quality that supervenes on mental states.
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    • 3.Agreement between observers explains the consistency but not why the appearance itself must be a relation rather than a coordinated mental phenomenon.
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