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    The three Persons of the Trinity must be three distinct p... — Carmelics
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    The three Persons of the Trinity must be three distinct particular divine substances for the concept of consubstantiality to be coherent

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    • 1.The Nicene formula affirms consubstantiality among the three Persons of the Trinity
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    • 2.If there were only one divine substance shared by all three Persons, speaking of consubstantiality among those Persons would be meaningless
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    • 1.Consubstantiality (homoousios) in Nicene theology denotes numerical identity of substance, not merely qualitative similarity between distinct substances.
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    • 2.If the three Persons each possessed their own particular divine substance, the Trinity would constitute three gods, which Nicene orthodoxy explicitly condemns as tritheism.
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    • 3.Coherent consubstantiality requires that 'substance' be predicated of the Trinity as a whole, with distinctions belonging only to relational properties, not to individuating substances.
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    • 1.Aquinas and the Augustinian tradition ground personal distinction in the immanent relations of origin (paternity, filiation, spiration), not in distinct particular substances.
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    • 2.If relations of origin suffice to individuate Persons within one numerically identical substance, the claim that distinct particular substances are required for coherent consubstantiality is defeated.
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    Besides monophysitism, Philoponus’ name is associated with the doctrine of tritheism. However, one needs to be aware of an important difference: Whereas monophysitism was a reputable and powerful theological movement in the Eastern church, tritheism was little more than a hostile label given to certain intellectuals who tried to make the mystery of the Trinity intelligible in philosophical language. Philoponus was one such intellectual who, again, resorted to Aristotelian terminology to clarify
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