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    The universe will attain deity as an emergent quality from the complex whole.

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    • 1.The universe evolves in a steadily progressive manner.
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    • 2.Deity is a superior quality that emerges from complex wholes, analogous to how consciousness emerges from complex organisations of organic matter.
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    • 3.Progressive evolution of the universe will eventually produce the conditions for deity to emerge.
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    • 1.Emergence of consciousness from matter is still philosophically contested and may require substrate-specific conditions not present universally.
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    • 2.The inference from one instance of emergence (consciousness) to a wholly different kind (deity) commits an analogy fallacy without shared relevant properties.
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    • 3.Deity traditionally requires attributes like necessary existence and aseity, which emergent properties by definition cannot possess, as they are causally dependent on prior conditions.
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    • 1.Thermodynamic entropy entails the universe trends toward dissolution and heat death, directly contradicting the premise of steady progressive evolution.
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    • 2.Without a non-question-begging criterion for 'progress' in cosmic evolution, the claim that the universe evolves progressively is empirically unsupported and teleologically assumed.
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    (4) Teleological Identity. Religious world views in which it is the ultimate destiny or purpose of the cosmos to achieve oneness with or to fully express deity provide a fourth model for understanding pantheistic claims of identity. The true identity of the universe is that which is revealed at the end of all things. For example, on the Absolute Idealist scheme, history culminates in the complete realization of God or Absolute spirit in the world and so, as Schelling put it, in the last days “Go
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