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    It is not the case that The upādhi having-a-perceptible-body presupposes that pervasion holds between perceptible-bodied agents and effects we observe, but grass-growth already falsifies this universal claim, making the upādhi self-undermining rather than defeating.

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    • 1.Grass-growth may involve imperceptible agents (soil microbes, nutrient uptake) that don't falsify the perceptible-bodied pervasion—only our observation.
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    • 2.The upādhi targets intentional agents producing effects; natural processes like growth may fall outside its scope, so grass-growth isn't a genuine counterexample.
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    • 3.An upādhi can still function validly even if some cases lack clear perceptible bodies; pragmatic validity doesn't require absolute universal pervasion.
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    • 1.Grass grows without perceptible-bodied agents (wind, bacteria), so pervasion between bodied-agents and observed effects fails universally.
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    • 2.A defining characteristic of an upādhi is that it must hold universally; if counterexamples exist, the upādhi cancels itself rather than refuting opponents.
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    • 3.Self-undermining criteria expose internal logical incoherence more effectively than external refutation, making the argument self-defeating.
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