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    It is not the case that Things have objective natures independent of how they appear to us

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    • 1.Kant demonstrates that objects as they appear (phenomena) are structured by mind-imposed categories, not intrinsic natures of things-in-themselves.
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    • 2.If our cognitive apparatus necessarily shapes all possible experience, 'objective nature' is only ever accessible through subjective conditions of knowledge.
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    • 3.Therefore rejecting Protagorean relativism is compatible with denying mind-independent natures, since a shared transcendental structure explains intersubjective agreement.
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    • 1.The argument conflates rejecting individual-relative truth with affirming mind-independent reality, but a third option exists: socially constituted objectivity.
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    • 2.Wittgenstein and Putnam show that 'objective' can mean norm-governed and community-validated without requiring metaphysical independence from all conceptual schemes.
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    • 3.Disproving Protagoras's individual relativism therefore underdetermines whether things possess natures wholly independent of any perspective whatsoever.
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    • 1.Protagorean relativism, which holds that things are as they appear to each individual, is false
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    • 2.The rejection of out-and-out relativism commits one to the view that reality is not determined by individual perception
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