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    It is not the case that Trinitarian problems of self-consistency vanish.

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    • 1.Relative identity (Geach) requires a sortal concept under which items are identical, but 'God' and 'person' yield contradictory identity facts for the same pairs.
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    • 2.If the Father is the same God as the Son but not the same person, transitivity of identity is violated, not dissolved by concept-relativity.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Frege's context principle governs number ascriptions to concepts, not identity statements between individual substances in classical theology.
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    • 2.Trinitarian doctrine as formulated at Nicaea and Chalcedon explicitly commits to numerical oneness of substance, which resists Fregean relativization.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The Trinity is just an ordinary case of one-many identity.
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    • 2.Number-properties are concept-relative (following Frege).
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