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    Using state coercion to instill specific moral values tre... — Carmelics
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    Supports→The moral education view of punishment is problematic.

    Using state coercion to instill specific moral values treats citizens as subjects of moral formation rather than autonomous authors of their own ethical lives.

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    • 1.Autonomy requires the capacity to deliberate and choose values without coercive pressure determining outcomes in advance.
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    • 2.State coercion operates through threats of punishment, which bypasses rational persuasion and replaces it with compliance.
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    • 3.Moral development through external force produces habit-following, not the reflective endorsement characteristic of genuine agency.
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    • 1.All social environments constrain choices; the question is whether constraints serve legitimate collective goods, not whether they exist.
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    • 2.Some foundational values (prohibitions on violence, theft) enable autonomous choice for others; coercing these doesn't undermine autonomy overall.
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    • 3.Citizens author their ethical lives within legal frameworks; law sets boundaries, not the content of personal moral conviction or reasoning.
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