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    It is not the case that Vast numbers of celestial buddhas and bodhisattvas presently exist who have already reached attainment.

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    • 1.Beginningless time does not entail that any finite sequence of causes has had sufficient opportunity to reach completion.
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    • 2.An infinite regress of prior conditions can perpetually defer attainment without ever actualizing it, as Kant's antinomies of pure reason demonstrate.
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    • 1.Madhyamaka philosophy, particularly Candrakīrti's Prasannapadā, holds that ultimately no substantial, independently existing 'buddhas' can be posited as really present.
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    • 2.If celestial buddhas lack inherent existence from the perspective of ultimate truth, the claim that vast numbers 'presently exist' conflates conventional designation with ontological presence.
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    • 1.Buddhahood is the supreme fulfillment available to all sentient beings since the beginningless past.
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    • 2.Many sentient beings have had sufficient time and opportunity to reach buddhahood across beginningless existence.
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