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    Waves in a medium are not sounds themselves but effects of sounds.

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    • 1.According to the Relational Event Theory, sounds are disturbings of a medium.
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    • 2.Waves in the medium are produced as a result of that disturbing event.
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    • 3.An effect of an event is distinct from the event itself.
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    • 1.Waves in a medium just are the propagating disturbance, not a downstream effect separable from it.
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    • 2.O'Callaghan's own Relational Event Theory identifies sounds with the disturbance event, which physically just is the wave pattern propagating through the medium.
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    • 3.If the wave pattern constitutes the disturbance rather than following from it, the cause-effect distinction in P2 collapses.
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    • 1.The proximate medium waves are what auditory systems are causally and evolutionarily tuned to detect, making them the natural candidate for sound.
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    • 2.Casati and Dokic's wave view holds that identifying sounds with waves preserves the intuition that we hear sounds where the waves are, not at the source.
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    • 3.A theory that locates sounds at a distant source but calls the waves mere 'effects' cannot explain why sounds appear perceptually to travel and arrive at the listener's location.
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    According to the Relational Event Theory, sounds are events which involve both the source and the surrounding medium. They are relational rather than “monadic” events. (The distinction between monadic and relational events is not to be taken as cast in iron, since the latter can be reduced to the former by making the mereological sum of sources and surrounding medium the subject of sounds.) O’Callaghan (2002, 2007) has developed such a view at some length. He notes that the wave conception of so
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