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    We cannot even conceive of non-mental objects — Carmelics
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    We cannot even conceive of non-mental objects

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    • 1.Every attempt to conceive a mind-independent object necessarily involves a conceiver representing it, embedding mentality into the very act of conception.
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    • 2.Berkeley's esse est percipi demonstrates that 'unconceived object' is self-refuting: conceiving the unconceived collapses the distinction between object and mental content.
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    • 3.The phenomenological tradition (Husserl's intentionality) confirms that all objects of thought are constituted through consciousness, leaving no conceptual remainder outside mind.
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    • 1.Kant's transcendental idealism establishes that space, time, and causality—the very structures enabling object-conception—are imposed by mind, not discovered in mind-independent reality.
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    • 2.Any purported conception of a non-mental object still deploys categories (substance, persistence, unity) that are, on Kantian grounds, contributions of the understanding rather than features of things-in-themselves.
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    • 3.Since we cannot strip away these mental contributions and still retain a coherent conception, the residual 'non-mental object' is literally inconceivable, not merely unknown.
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    • 1.Even an imaginary object is only a conception of something that would affect our senses
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    • 2.Any conception we can form is constrained by what could affect our senses
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    On the surface, Mill’s motivations towards idealism is epistemic—that we can never experience unmediated non-mental objects, and so cannot be warranted in believing in their existence. But the argument goes deeper, suggesting that we cannot even imagine what it would be to believe in the existence of non-mental objects. “[E]ven an imaginary object is but a conception, such as we are able to form, of something which would affect our senses” (Examination, IX: 6). Indeed, Mill at times suggests a s
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