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    It is not the case that We cannot now do anything about the fact that God timelessly knows T.

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    Reasons For

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Timeless knowledge, unlike the past, lacks the fixed causal-temporal location that grounds our inability to alter it.
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    • 2.If God's timeless knowing is simultaneous with our acting, our free act may itself constitute part of what God timelessly knows.
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    • 3.The 'out of reach' analogy assumes temporal inaccessibility, but timelessness is not merely temporal distance from the present.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.On Ockhamist grounds, God's timeless belief about T is a 'soft fact' whose content is counterfactually dependent on what we freely do.
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    • 2.If what God timelessly knows is fixed only by what we do, then in doing otherwise we would have determined God to know otherwise, preserving freedom.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The timeless realm is as much out of our reach as the past.
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    • 2.We have no more reason to think we can do anything about God's timeless knowing than about God's past knowing.
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