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    We cannot now do anything about the fact that God timeles... — Carmelics
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    We cannot now do anything about the fact that God timelessly knows T.

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    • 1.The timeless realm is as much out of our reach as the past.
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    • 2.We have no more reason to think we can do anything about God's timeless knowing than about God's past knowing.
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    • 1.Timeless knowledge, unlike the past, lacks the fixed causal-temporal location that grounds our inability to alter it.
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    • 2.If God's timeless knowing is simultaneous with our acting, our free act may itself constitute part of what God timelessly knows.
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    • 3.The 'out of reach' analogy assumes temporal inaccessibility, but timelessness is not merely temporal distance from the present.
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    • 1.On Ockhamist grounds, God's timeless belief about T is a 'soft fact' whose content is counterfactually dependent on what we freely do.
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    • 2.If what God timelessly knows is fixed only by what we do, then in doing otherwise we would have determined God to know otherwise, preserving freedom.
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    Perhaps it is inappropriate to say that timeless events such as God’s timeless knowing are now-necessary, yet we have no more reason to think we can do anything about God’s timeless knowing than about God’s past knowing. The timeless realm is as much out of our reach as the past. So the point of (3t) is that we cannot now do anything about the fact that God timelessly knows T. The rest of the steps in the timeless dilemma argument are parallel to the basic argument. Step (5t) says that if there is nothing we can do about a timeless state, there is nothing we can do about what such a state enta...

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