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    We may take pleasure in the natural existence of beauty b... — Carmelics
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    We may take pleasure in the natural existence of beauty beyond our basic aesthetic pleasure, because natural beauty serves as evidence that nature is hospitable to human objectives.

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    • 1.Practical reason has an interest in nature being hospitable to its objectives.
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    • 2.We take pleasure in any evidence that nature is amenable to our objectives, even non-moral ones.
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    • 3.The natural existence of beauty is evidence that nature is amenable to human objectives, because the experience of beauty fulfills our most basic cognitive objective in an unexpected way.
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    • 1.Natural beauty frequently arises from processes indifferent or hostile to human life, such as storms, predation, and decay.
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    • 2.Evidence that nature produces beauty through inhospitable processes undermines the inference that beauty signals nature's amenability to human objectives.
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    • 3.Darwin's account of natural selection shows beauty emerges from blind competition, not from any alignment with human cognitive or moral ends.
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    • 1.Schopenhauer argues aesthetic contemplation of nature requires suspending the will and its interests, not confirming them.
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    • 2.If natural beauty genuinely served as evidence for practical reason's hopes, aesthetic experience would reinforce self-interest rather than transcend it.
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    • 3.A pleasure grounded in self-referential confirmation of human objectives collapses the disinterestedness that Kant himself takes to be constitutive of genuine aesthetic response.
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    Evidence(Distinguished from prior/intrinsic probability in the context of the low priors argument)
    Factors extrinsic to a hypothesis that raise or lower its probability
    aesthetic pleasure(Defined in contrast to practical and sensory pleasures.)
    A self-maintaining, open-ended, future-oriented pleasure arising from commitment to the beauty of an object, not requiring external actions or objects to sustain itself.
    hospitable(as used in philosophy of nature)
    Welcoming and favorable; in this case, nature being 'hospitable' means it supports or accommodates human goals and wellbeing.
    human objectives(as used in this statement about our relationship with nature)
    Goals or purposes that humans want to achieve or pursue.
    natural beauty(Alexander's response to the objection that beauty is not constructed)
    The beauty of natural landscapes and phenomena, which on Alexander's view is composed by human observers through the selective picking-out of parts, rather than being an intrinsic or mind-independent property of nature

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    Kant’s fourth connection between the aesthetic and the ethical lies in his theory of the “intellectual interest” in the beautiful. Here Kant argues that although our basic pleasure in a beautiful object must be independent of any antecedent interest in its existence, we may add a further layer of pleasure to that basic experience if the existence of beautiful objects suggests some more generally pleasing fact about our situation in the world. Kant’s claim is that since it is of interest to prac
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