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    What persons owe to others must be determined before any ... — Carmelics
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    What persons owe to others must be determined before any question of self-ownership of bodies or resources can arise.

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    • 1.Rawls's veil of ignorance demonstrates that principles of justice must be chosen before any particular distribution of natural assets is assumed legitimate.
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    • 2.Self-ownership claims that precede social agreement smuggle in contingent natural advantages as if they were morally foundational entitlements.
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    • 3.Therefore, the normative baseline from which ownership claims derive must be established through prior principles of fairness, not assumed from bodily possession.
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    • 1.Hegel's Phenomenology shows that personhood itself is constituted through mutual recognition, not through pre-social self-possession.
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    • 2.If persons only become rights-bearing agents through intersubjective recognition, then the obligations structuring that recognition are logically prior to any ownership claim.
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    • 1.Obligations to others are prior to property rights, including rights over oneself.
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    • 2.Self-ownership claims presuppose a social context that must first be normatively settled.
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    Still even if we concede that property is the product of social rules, and that normative thinking about the former must be preceded by normative thinking about the latter, there might be facts about the human condition or our agency as embodied beings that provide philosophical premises for an argument that property relations should be established in one way rather than another. Clearly, there is at least one material object with which a person does seem to have an intimate pre-legal relation t
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