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    While times pass in time, they do not pass relative to et... — Carmelics
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    While times pass in time, they do not pass relative to eternity.

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    • 1.Each time t, when present, is ET-simultaneous with the life of an eternal being.
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    • 2.All times, precisely in their presentness, are ET-simultaneous with an eternal life.
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    • 3.In an eternal life, nothing passes, because passage would introduce earlier and later parts, making the life temporal rather than eternal.
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    • 1.ET-simultaneity, as defined by Stump and Kretzmann, is not a transitive relation, since it holds between temporal and eternal modes of existence.
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    • 2.If ET-simultaneity is non-transitive, then two distinct times t1 and t2 can each be ET-simultaneous with eternity without being simultaneous with each other.
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    • 3.This entails that 'times do not pass relative to eternity' is trivially true but vacuous, not a substantive claim about God's atemporal perception of all times as present.
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    • 1.If every moment of time is fully present to an eternal God, then God's knowledge of 'what is present' cannot discriminate between times that are past, present, or future for temporal beings.
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    • 2.An omniscient being must know tensed facts, including which events are genuinely present now, as argued by Prior and Castañeda on essentially indexical knowledge.
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    • 3.Therefore, a being for whom no times pass lacks the cognitive resources to know tensed truths, contradicting the claim that eternity provides a richer mode of temporal apprehension.
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    Stump and Kretzmann (1981)
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    Of course, one wants to know how to make sense of the idea that passage is real only in time. Stump and Kretzmann (1981) gave a take on this while retracting Kretzmann's original commitment to (1)–(4). Suppose presentism. On the Stump-Kretzmann picture, each time t, when present, is “ET-simultaneous” with the life of an eternal being. So that life is ET-simultaneous with t. So all times, precisely in their presentness, are just ET-simultaneous with an eternal life. But in an eternal life, nothing passes. If it did, that life would have earlier and later parts: it would be temporal, not ete...
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    Validity: The premises faithfully capture the argument's structure as presented in the passage: ET-simultaneity of all present times with God's eternal life, combined with the impossibility of passage in an eternal life, jointly support the conclusion that times pass in time but not relative to eternity.

    Confidence: This is the overarching conclusion of the Stump-Kretzmann picture as described.

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