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    It is not the case that While times pass in time, they do not pass relative to eternity.

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    • 1.ET-simultaneity, as defined by Stump and Kretzmann, is not a transitive relation, since it holds between temporal and eternal modes of existence.
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    • 2.If ET-simultaneity is non-transitive, then two distinct times t1 and t2 can each be ET-simultaneous with eternity without being simultaneous with each other.
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    • 3.This entails that 'times do not pass relative to eternity' is trivially true but vacuous, not a substantive claim about God's atemporal perception of all times as present.
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    • 1.If every moment of time is fully present to an eternal God, then God's knowledge of 'what is present' cannot discriminate between times that are past, present, or future for temporal beings.
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    • 2.An omniscient being must know tensed facts, including which events are genuinely present now, as argued by Prior and Castañeda on essentially indexical knowledge.
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    • 3.Therefore, a being for whom no times pass lacks the cognitive resources to know tensed truths, contradicting the claim that eternity provides a richer mode of temporal apprehension.
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    • 1.Each time t, when present, is ET-simultaneous with the life of an eternal being.
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    • 2.All times, precisely in their presentness, are ET-simultaneous with an eternal life.
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    • 3.In an eternal life, nothing passes, because passage would introduce earlier and later parts, making the life temporal rather than eternal.
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