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    It is not the case that Wider consequentialism's attribution of intrinsic value to non-sentient natural objects faces the 'location problem': intrinsic value requires a valuing subject, as argued by Korsgaard and others.

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    • 1.Mathematical truths and logical facts possess mind-independent validity without requiring a subject; why not environmental properties too?
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    • 2.The location problem conflates intrinsic value with subjective valuation—objects can have intrinsic properties regardless of observers.
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    • 3.Evolutionary ecosystems exhibit self-organizing complexity and telos-like properties that ground value without presupposing consciousness or minds.
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    • 1.Value without a valuer appears conceptually incoherent: 'X is valuable' seems to require someone for whom X matters or has worth.
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    • 2.Kantian constructivism shows value emerges from rational agents' valuing attitudes, not from objects existing independently of minds.
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    • 3.Non-sentient objects lack the consciousness necessary to constitute or ground value claims about themselves.
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