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    A will that cannot permanently settle against God is not ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→God can effectively guarantee the salvation of all sinners without ever interfering with anyone's libertarian freedom.

    A will that cannot permanently settle against God is not libertarian but merely a will whose resistance is treated as a temporary computational error to be iterated away.

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    • 1.Libertarian freedom requires the ability to resist even optimal or infinite persuasion; otherwise choice is predetermined by external conditions.
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    • 2.If iteration or optimization eventually dissolves any will against God, that will never possessed genuine alternative possibility.
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    • 3.True libertarian agency demands stable, irreducible capacity to refuse—not temporary disagreement awaiting algorithmic resolution.
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    • 1.Libertarian freedom may require only that choices stem from one's own character/reasons, not that they be immune to all persuasion indefinitely.
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    • 2.The claim conflates 'will changes through iteration' with 'will was never free'—but informed agents rationally revise their positions.
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    • 3.Demanding permanent resistance to any force treats libertarian freedom as requiring irrationality or arbitrary stubbornness, not autonomy.
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