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    God can effectively guarantee the salvation of all sinner... — Carmelics
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    God can effectively guarantee the salvation of all sinners without ever interfering with anyone's libertarian freedom.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • 1.A sinner could have, if necessary, infinitely many opportunities over an unending stretch of time to repent and to submit to God freely.
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    • 2.God could presumably bring a sinner to a point, just short of actually determining the sinner's choice, where the sinner would see the choice between horror and bliss with such clarity that the probability of repenting and submitting to God would be extremely high.
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    • 3.Even if the probability of repenting on any single occasion is as low as .5, over an indefinitely long period of time, the sinner would still have an indefinitely large number of opportunities to repent.
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    • 1.Libertarian free will requires the genuine possibility of final, irrevocable refusal; infinite retry structures effectively eliminate this possibility.
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    • 2.A will that cannot permanently settle against God is not libertarian but merely a will whose resistance is treated as a temporary computational error to be iterated away.
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    • 3.Alvin Plantinga's own free will defense presupposes that creatures can be so constituted that no sequence of circumstances guarantees their cooperation, which directly undermines the probabilistic convergence argument.
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    • 1.The coin-toss analogy fails because coin tosses are causally independent across trials, whereas a persistent refuser's character may become increasingly entrenched with each successive rejection.
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    • 2.Jonathan Kvanvig and others in the hell literature note that repeated exposure to divine invitation without acceptance can, on plausible psychological grounds, harden rather than soften the will.
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    • 3.If character formation is path-dependent and cumulative, the probability of acceptance need not remain constant at .5 but may approach zero asymptotically, defeating the infinite-opportunity convergence argument.
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    But in addition to defending the bare logical possibility of such a universal reconciliation on libertarian grounds, Eric Reitan has set forth an intriguing argument, which he calls “the Argument from Infinite Opportunity,” for the conclusion that God can effectively guarantee the salvation of all sinners without ever interfering with anyone’s libertarian freedom (see Kronen and Reitan 2011, Ch. 8). The basic idea here is that a sinner could have, if necessary, infinitely many opportunities over an unending stretch of time to repent and to submit to God freely. So consider this. Although it is...

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