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    Albert the Great's and Aquinas's positions on the soul ar... — Carmelics
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    Albert the Great's and Aquinas's positions on the soul are in conflict.

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    • 1.Albert holds that the soul is the perfection of the human body but not its intrinsic substantial form.
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    • 2.Aquinas holds that the soul is the intrinsic substantial form of the human body.
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    • 3.A thing cannot both be and not be the intrinsic substantial form of a body.
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    • 1.Albert's concept of 'perfectio' for the soul is functionally equivalent to Aquinas's 'forma substantialis' when both are read within the Aristotelian hylomorphic tradition.
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    • 2.Terminological divergence between scholastics does not entail doctrinal conflict if the underlying metaphysical commitments yield identical accounts of soul-body unity.
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    • 3.Both Albert and Aquinas deny Platonic dualism and affirm that the soul is the single principle of life and activity in a human being, marking substantive agreement.
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    • 1.Historians such as Bernhard Geyer and Irven Resnick have argued that Albert's mature works progressively converge with Aquinas on hylomorphic soul-body composition.
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    • 2.If Albert's position evolved across his corpus, attributing a single fixed view to him that conflicts with Aquinas commits the fallacy of ignoring diachronic development in a thinker's work.
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    Simon’s general psychology is standard Aristotelian doctrine, in many aspects derived from Albert the Great’s and Aquinas’s psychological teachings. However, as we shall see, Simon sometimes conflates their views, suggesting he was not entirely aware of their opposition. Thus, Simon holds that the rational soul is the substantial form of the human body because it is that on account of which humans can perform their proper operation, i.e., intellection. However, unlike the substantial form of pur
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