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    Aquinas argued that relations between God and creation ar... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→God is timeless without creation and temporal with creation.

    Aquinas argued that relations between God and creation are real on creation's side but purely logical on God's side, requiring no change in God.

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    • 1.God's immutability is a core attribute; any real relational change in God would compromise His perfection and timelessness.
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    • 2.Creation-side reality of relations explains God's genuine responsiveness to prayer without requiring metaphysical change in God.
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    • 3.Relations can be asymmetrically real: a painting is really related to its artist, but the artist's being need not change thereby.
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    • 1.If God loves creation, this love appears to be a real divine act; calling it 'merely logical' seems to evacuate it of genuine content.
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    • 2.The asymmetry claim fails: the artist-painting analogy involves temporal sequence, but God's eternal knowledge of creation seems to require real relational facts.
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    • 3.A purely logical relation in God suggests creation is somehow less real or less genuinely known by God, which conflicts with divine omniscience.
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