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God-as-knower is not numerically the same as God-as-known. — Carmelics

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God-as-knower is not numerically the same as God-as-known.

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There is an essential asymmetry in the knowing relation.
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1.In perfect self-knowledge, the knower and known are identical: the intellect in act is the intelligible in act (Aristotle, De Anima III.4).
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2.Divine intellection is maximally actual and perfect, admitting no real distinction between subject and object of thought.
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3.If God-as-knower and God-as-known were numerically distinct, God's self-knowledge would be imperfect, contradicting divine simplicity.
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1.Asymmetry in a relation does not entail numerical distinctness of the relata, as a thing can stand in an asymmetric relation to itself (e.g., self-causation in Spinoza).
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2.The supporting argument illicitly infers ontological distinction from logical or grammatical distinction in how we describe a single entity.
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Divine love doesn’t imply further Persons because it’s the same relational property as divine self-knowing. God-as-knower isn’t numerically the same as God-as-known because of the essential asymmetry of the knowing relation (ibid.). Divine love, Koons says, is a kind of charity of friendship; thus, lover and beloved can’t be numerically identical. So if the Father loves the Son, this implies that they are numerically distinct (non-identical). It also implies that they are really distinct and not really the same. In specifying what he means by real distinctness Koons writes,

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Validity: The source passage explicitly states that "God-as-knower isn't numerically the same as God-as-known because of the essential asymmetry of the knowing relation," directly presenting this premise-conclusion relationship.

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Perspectives: 3 (1 for, 2 against)
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