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    It is not the case that Awareness of the thing-in-itself must be reached through a means other than the relationship of causality.

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    • 1.Kant argues that causality as a category of understanding applies only to phenomena, making the thing-in-itself causally inaccessible by definition.
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    • 2.If causality cannot reach the thing-in-itself, Schopenhauer's own route via bodily will still presupposes a causal inference from sensation to metaphysical reality.
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    • 3.A method that covertly relies on causal reasoning cannot coherently claim to transcend the causal relation it rejects as insufficient.
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    • 1.Helmholtz and the sign theorists held that perception involves inferential, causal chains that yield only signs of external reality, not direct acquaintance.
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    • 2.If causal chains can reliably ground knowledge of external states, then dismissing causality as a route to deeper reality requires a stronger argument than mere categorical distinction.
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    • 3.The supporting argument's claim that positioning the thing-in-itself as an effect is 'misconstrued' asserts rather than demonstrates a principled limit of causal inquiry.
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    • 1.The relationship of causality requires cause and effect to be logically distinct objects or events.
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    • 2.The thing-in-itself cannot coherently be positioned as an effect in a causal relationship without treating it as a distinct object.
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    • 3.Treating the thing-in-itself as a distinct object is misconstrued.
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