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    It is not the case that Being dead is neither intrinsically nor extrinsically bad for a person (on Epicurus's assumptions).

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    • 1.Deprivation of future goods constitutes a harm even without a subject who experiences that deprivation (Nagel's deprivation account).
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    • 2.Death deprives a person of future goods they would otherwise have enjoyed.
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    • 3.Therefore, being dead is extrinsically bad for a person regardless of whether it involves negative experiences.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Epicurus's restriction of harm to experienced states presupposes a narrow hedonistic axiology that many philosophers reject as question-begging.
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    • 2.Preference-satisfaction and objective list theories allow that unfulfilled interests constitute genuine harms independent of experience.
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    • 3.If harm is not exhausted by experienced states, the Epicurean argument fails even on its own logical terms without denying the experiential premise.
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    • 1.Being dead is not an experience and does not make a person have any experiences.
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    • 2.On Epicurus's assumptions, only experiences can be intrinsically or extrinsically bad for a person.
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