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    Being dead is neither intrinsically nor extrinsically bad... — Carmelics
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    Being dead is neither intrinsically nor extrinsically bad for a person (on Epicurus's assumptions).

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    • 1.Being dead is not an experience and does not make a person have any experiences.
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    • 2.On Epicurus's assumptions, only experiences can be intrinsically or extrinsically bad for a person.
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    • 1.Deprivation of future goods constitutes a harm even without a subject who experiences that deprivation (Nagel's deprivation account).
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    • 2.Death deprives a person of future goods they would otherwise have enjoyed.
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    • 3.Therefore, being dead is extrinsically bad for a person regardless of whether it involves negative experiences.
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    • 1.Epicurus's restriction of harm to experienced states presupposes a narrow hedonistic axiology that many philosophers reject as question-begging.
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    • 2.Preference-satisfaction and objective list theories allow that unfulfilled interests constitute genuine harms independent of experience.
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    • 3.If harm is not exhausted by experienced states, the Epicurean argument fails even on its own logical terms without denying the experiential premise.
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    However, something that is not intrinsically bad for a person might nevertheless make other things happen that are detrimental to her, in which case it may be extrinsically bad for her. Seeing somebody fall and break her arm is not intrinsically bad for a person, but it might well cause her painful sadness, which makes the accident she saw extrinsically bad for her. Similarly, something that is not intrinsically good for a person might be extrinsically good for her.

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