Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that Consciousness is an autopoietic system — a self-creating and self-organizing system.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    2 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Autopoietic systems, as defined by Maturana and Varela, are operationally closed material systems that produce their own components.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Consciousness lacks the material self-production of components that defines autopoiesis — it does not synthesize its own neural substrate.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Applying 'autopoietic' to consciousness conflates the biological process with a mere metaphor, committing a category error Maturana himself warned against.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Hume's bundle theory and Parfit's reductionism establish that conscious experience lacks a persistent self-organizing subject to anchor continuity.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If there is no enduring organizational locus, the 'coherent growth' in the supporting argument is better explained by neural causation than self-creation.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Attributing self-organization to consciousness smuggles in a Cartesian subject that deflationary accounts of personal identity have already undermined.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.Each moment-to-moment sequence of experience grows coherently out of preceding experiences.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Each sequence is constrained and enabled by the global structure of links and limits embodied in its underlying prior organization.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Whether partly in response to outer influences or entirely from within, this coherent growth occurs.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.