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    It is not the case that De facto obedience is neither necessary nor sufficient for establishing the legitimacy of a civil body

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    • 1.Sustained, effective exercise of power over time generates legitimate expectations of authority that cannot be dismissed as mere fact.
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    • 2.Hume argues that long-established governments acquire legitimacy through custom and habit, making de facto continuity constitutive of de jure authority.
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    • 3.A sovereign who lacks effective power to enforce religious matters has forfeited the normative basis for claiming exclusive jurisdiction over them.
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    • 1.Weber's analysis shows that legitimacy is socially constructed through subjects' beliefs, meaning de facto obedience just is what political legitimacy consists in.
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    • 2.If a population consistently obeys the church's authority over scripture and poor relief without coercion, this widespread recognition is itself the criterion of legitimate authority.
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    • 1.The church had in fact been exercising power over religious matters such as interpreting Scripture, excommunicating heretics, and providing for the poor
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    • 2.Yet the sovereign alone has rightful authority over those religious matters
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    • 3.Actual exercise of power does not confer legitimate authority
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