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    It is not the case that Death may be bad for those who die, even if they do not experience dying.

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    • 1.A subject can only be harmed if there exists a subject to bear the harm at the time the harm occurs (the 'no subject' objection, Epicurus, Lucretius).
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    • 2.After death, no subject exists to bear the deprivation of future goods.
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    • 3.Therefore, deprivation of future goods after death cannot constitute a harm to the deceased.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Comparativist harm requires a determinate counterfactual baseline: a specific alternative life the person would have lived absent the harm (Bradley 2009).
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    • 2.Death forecloses the very conditions under which any particular alternative life would have been actualized, making the counterfactual indeterminate.
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    • 3.Where no determinate counterfactual baseline exists, no coherent comparative harm attribution can be made.
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    • 1.We are harmed by what makes our lives as wholes worse than they otherwise would have been (the comparativist view).
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    • 2.In at least some cases, dying at a time makes our lives as wholes worse than they would have been had we not died when we did, because dying cuts our lives short and deprives us of good life.
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