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    It is not the case that Deity will eventually emerge from the universe as a whole once the universe reaches sufficient complexity.

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    • 1.Emergence relations require prior specification of what properties count as genuinely novel, but 'deity' lacks the functional criteria needed for such specification.
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    • 2.Without a naturalistic account of which divine attributes (omniscience, necessary existence, moral perfection) could be substrate-dependent, the claim conflates metaphor with emergence.
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    • 3.Jaegwon Kim's causal exclusion argument entails that any emergent deity would either be causally epiphenomenal or reducible to prior physical states, disqualifying it as genuinely divine.
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    • 1.Classical theism, from Anselm through Aquinas, holds that a being whose existence is contingent on prior physical complexity cannot possess necessary existence, a core divine attribute.
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    • 2.A deity that 'eventually emerges' is metaphysically dependent on antecedent conditions, making it a contingent being subject to the very causal order it would need to ground or explain.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Space-time is the rock-bottom metaphysical reality.
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    • 2.When groupings of space-time become sufficiently complex, successive levels emerge: matter, then life, then mind, then deity.
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    • 3.The universe is currently at the mind level, so deity has not yet emerged.
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