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    Challenges→Direct empirical encounter with a divine emissary — including revealed law and beneficial commandments — provides sufficient grounds to acknowledge God's existence, authority, and dominion.

    Empirical encounter with a claimant to divine authority underdetermines the source: natural, demonic, or human deception remain equally consistent with the evidence.

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    • 1.Miracles, prophecies, and moral teachings appear identical whether sourced from divine, demonic, or human origin without independent verification.
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    • 2.All three hypotheses can retroactively explain the same empirical phenomena through unfalsifiable auxiliary assumptions.
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    • 3.We lack neutral observational criteria to distinguish supernatural from natural causes in ambiguous cases.
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    • 1.Demonic and deceptive sources have predictable motivational patterns that often contradict observed behaviors of genuine claimants.
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    • 2.Consistency with evidence across multiple independent domains (coherence, historical corroboration, explanatory power) does differentiate sources.
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    • 3.The claim conflates metaphysical underdetermination with epistemic indistinguishability; some sources may be genuinely equally consistent logically but not evidentially.
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