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    Even if God's creative will grounds my act of deciding, t... — Carmelics
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    Even if God's creative will grounds my act of deciding, the decision remains mine and not God's.

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    • 1.Even if my act of deciding has its existence grounded in God's creatively willing that I so decide, it is still I who act and I who decide.
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    • 2.God's willing that I decide as I do does not make my decision God's.
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    • 3.If my decision were predicated of God rather than me, God's will would fail to achieve its object.
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    • 1.If God's creative will is the sufficient ground for my deciding, then my deciding adds no causal contribution not already determined by God's act.
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    • 2.An act that requires no causal contribution from the agent to occur is not genuinely the agent's act in any robust sense.
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    • 3.Therefore, grounding my decision entirely in God's creative will undermines, rather than preserves, the ownership of the decision by me.
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    • 1.Argument P3 assumes that predication of an act to an agent is sufficient for that act to belong to that agent, but predication tracks metaphysical dependence, not origination.
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    • 2.Luther and theological determinists like Schleiermacher held that an act can be genuinely predicated of a creature while God remains its sole sufficient originating cause.
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    • 3.If predication is compatible with God being the sole sufficient cause, then P3 fails to establish that the decision is not ultimately God's in the morally relevant sense.
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    SEP: providence-divine
    Traditional view of divine sovereignty and creaturely freedom
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    Part of the answer lies in the fact that even if my act of deciding to go to the concert tonight has its existence grounded in God’s creatively willing that I so decide, it is still I who act, still I who decide. God’s willing that I decide as I do does not make my decision God’s. Indeed, if it did, if my decision were predicated of God rather than me, his will would fail to achieve its object. But it is not possible for God’s will to be frustrated, as long as what he wills is consistent. So regardless of what we may think of the traditional view’s contention that divine sovereignty and creatu...
    Extraction notes

    Validity: The premises are directly drawn from the passage and collectively support the conclusion through a valid chain of reasoning: if attributing the decision to God would frustrate God's will (premise 3), and God's will cannot be frustrated (premise 4), then the decision cannot be predicated of God, so it remains mine (premises 1 and 2).

    Confidence: High confidence; the argument is explicitly laid out in the text.

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